http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/opinio n/10collins.html?ref=opinion

And how can Hillary win if she lost?

im sad to - but its over.

As has been posted before, this "rightward swing" meme is nothing but people forgetting about positions has always had.

Yes, he changed on FISA, but would you really want the leader of the party voting against a filibuster-proof defense bill? It's just bad politics, and Obama knows the bill had issues.

It doesn't make his vote right, but its doesn't deserve all this "rightward swing" nonsense. I'm sure Clinton would have done the same.

Hillary Clinton is not running for President anymore.

She's out there trying to get people to raise money for Barack Obama.

"Was" being the (sadly) operative word here.

I do think it is over.  I also believe we are stuck with someone who has the potential to be as bad a president as Bush. He has no ideology save getting elected.

My feelings about this go back to the beginning of his campaign, such as his false sympathy with the Maytag refrigerator workers who lost their jobs -- when a member of the Crown family -- his biggest family supporter -- sat on the Crown board and Obama never once asked him to find a way to keep the jobs in Illinois.  http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news Stock%20News/1057928

I think architek needs a hug.

Everyone give architek a hug!

+HUG+

Put this comment in an open thread or in one of the many Clinton-Obama diaries already on the recent diary list.

I am tired of wasting time opening a diary that adds no analysis or value.

I think this is BS.

Ok.

Just remember - you saw it here. Mark the date.

Regardless of how you think that May Clinton would have fared against May McCain relative to May Obama, August Clinton would be a much worse candidate than August Obama when going against August McCain, almost by default.  You cannot run a two and a half-month GE campaign with no money, no staff, no offices, and no advertising.  The election would be over before the first yard sign was put up.

It's this failure to consider the realities on the ground which make this supposed movement nothing more than a pipe dream.

Psssst.... It's over. Obama won.

Of course I could post some links and facts that would contradict your diary. But why even spend time refuting such bullshit in the first place?

Ta!

"Hillary Clinton, an almost guaranteed winner among the PEOPLE..."

I'm telling ya, the morning after the Election, after the Obama win, Architek (or another PUMA) will post a diary titled:

"Hillary would have won even BIGGER!"

You ever read about those Civil War reenactors?

Some folks JUST can't move on.

Sad, truly sad.

"If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a horse have? Four, calling a tail a leg does not make it a leg"

no not that one.....

this one

"but l am
reminded in this connection of a story of an old Dutch farmer,
who remarked to a companion once that it was not best to swap
horses when crossing a stream. "

And as much as I feel the old Irish saying about horses

"The best horse doesn't always win the race"

I am reminded of another Lincoln quote...

"I can make a General in five minutes but a good horse is hard to replace."

I can't see replacing Obama unless its clear he will lose.  Currently the reverse appears to be true.  Even if the top brass knows something we don't that will cause him to lose, his supporters would never understand or forgive at this point.  Replacing Obama just like not giving Hillary the VP slot would damage the party long term via losing a large segment of his voters forever.

Hillary can't have the nomination if she can retire her debt without the help of Obama's supporters.

I mean that quite literally. She cannot win enough support to overturn Obama because she has been pushing him to help retire her debt and he has obliged. If she accepted the nomination in his stead, she'd lose half the Democratic party. And not PUMA "half", actually around half.

Now I've had countless conversations since the end of my campaign," she began. "And I know how difficult it is for people who have invested their time, energy and emotion -- just their entire being -- into any campaign or cause. ... When it is over, I know how difficult that is ... how challenging it is to turn on a dime. It is a process. It does take time for people to take a deep breath, to go forward. ... But anyone who voted for me has so much in common with those who voted for Barack. ... It is critical that we join forces. The Democratic Party is a family -- sometimes a dysfunctional family -- but it is a family. We care about what is going to happen to health care [and education], and in Afghanistan in Iraq. ... That work cannot be done if we do not have a Democratic president in the White House!"

As she wrapped up her remarks and began to introduce Obama, Clinton said, "this is the man -- this is the one -- we should be voting for. ... Do it for your children. Do it for your jobs. Do it for the education of future generations.

-Hillary Clinton speaking at the Women for Obama and the DNC's Women's Leadership Forum in NYC.

Do you need to take off your shoes to count exactly how many?

Are you a real democrat or a repug concern troll???

I hope that Hillary's votes are recorded in history at the 2008 Democratic Convention. I would expect that, when Obama wins, she would release them in a grand gesture to her candidate for President, Barack Obama.

Or are you expecting some strang confluence of events, that would bring Hillary to the convention floor as our nominee? If this is true, I must say, really now; I just cannot see that happening. In fact, this is not even something I would like to see at this time, because that would mean that our nominee is in so much trouble, I am not sure that even Hillary could take the reigns, and lead a shattered Democratic Party to victory in November.

Clinton Democrats should reconsider Barack Obama as Presidential Candidate

Many Clinton Democrats, disappointed that their candidate Hillary is not the nominee, have resorted to posting ridiculous one-sentence diaries asking people to nominate Hillary after she lost.  These people need to realize that the primary is over, and we are calling for these Clinton Democrats to change their minds and select Barack Obama, an almost guaranteed winner among the PEOPLE, WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME.

don't care about Obama's so-called right-wing swing.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la- na-campaign10-2008jul10,0,4376045.story