AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6

I guess The AP didn't get the memo.

Solid margins among women, minorities and young voters have powered Barack Obama to a 6 percentage point lead over John McCain in the presidential race, according to a poll released Tuesday.

Obama is ahead of his Republican rival 47 percent to 41 percent, The Associated Press-Ipsos poll showed. The survey was taken after the Democratic senator from Illinois had returned from a trip to Middle Eastern and European capitals, and during a week that saw the two camps clash over which had brought race into a campaign in which Obama is striving to become the first African-American president.

What, you mean John McCain has his best. week. ever. and all he can do is turn Obama's 7 point lead in early June into a 6 point lead in late July? Well, I'm sure it must be great news for McCain somehow.

In the meantime, some of the good news for Barack contained within these poll results:

Obama leads by 13 points among women, by 30 points among voters up to age 34, and by 55 points among blacks, Hispanics and other minorities, the poll shows. [...]

The poll showed a huge Democratic advantage when voters ponder which party they would like to see control Congress next year. Democrats were favored over Republicans 53 percent to 35 percent, underscoring the mountainous disadvantage McCain and other GOP candidates are facing in the Nov. 4 voting.

In other words, McCain moved the needle not at all in any long term sense.

Now, clearly this election is not won or lost nationally and we did see some state polling close a bit, so we'll have to see if those numbers tick back up for Obama now that John McCain has started talking about himself and Barack Obama is on offense. But to the extent that national polls can track national trends,  between this one and the daily Gallup poll, which shows Obama returning to a 4 point lead over McCain, it does appear the effectiveness of McCain's onslaught may have been ever so slightly overblown.



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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

There's a good article up on Huffington Post regarding the fluctuation in the daily tracking polls, which is largely attributable to random float in the margin of error.  Smoothed out, Gallup's poll reflects a very stable race over the past two months, with Obama holding a steady 3-4 point lead since the beginning of June.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/05 /is-obamas-lead-in-gallup_n_117058.html


by rfahey22 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:30:29 PM EST

Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

what surprises me is how he is not blowing McLame out of the water, hopefully it will spread more in Oct


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:38:30 PM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (2.00 / 1)

You know, people win elections by 3 points all the time.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:02:17 PM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

yup, but it would feel better if it were a larger margin.


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:14:05 PM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

Well, think about it this way: that 3% seems to be a pretty firm 3%.


by rfahey22 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:16:24 PM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (2.00 / 1)

 And they don't poll cell phones. McCain and the Gopers are floundering in the deep end of the shit, and that's just fine by me.


by QTG on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:35:30 PM EST

Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (2.00 / 1)

And they probably do not poll newly registered voters, which Obama is registering by the tens of thousands.


by parahammer on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:40:10 PM EST
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Of course (none / 0)

it was overblown, we had the Obama campaign, his supporters, and uber-psycho Clinton supporters whining because the republicans were meenies.  If people put as much as an effort writing concern diaries and channeling their frustration by calling or canvassing their neighborhood this party might might be able to lead the nation.

Maybe Sen. Graham was on to something about Americans and whining.


by hocuspocus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:57:34 PM EST

Re: Of course (2.00 / 1)

so you think you are helping by calling all HRC supporters "uber-psycho"?


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:18:05 PM EST
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Re: Of course (none / 0)

I have a stronger phrase to describe PUMA's but I chose not too.


by hocuspocus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:49:40 PM EST
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Re: Of course (2.00 / 1)

and I am sure they have some for you. is there a point there?


by zerosumgame on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:54:42 PM EST
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Re: Of course (none / 0)

I really don't care what they think, adults who behave like children because they didn't get what they wanted do not have my respect and I don't have a single iota of sympathy for them.  The party is better without thugs who want to hijack it for their own selfish purposes.  


by hocuspocus on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:16:42 AM EST
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Re: Of course (none / 0)

so you are saying that you are no differnt from the PUMA's? and you are proud of that? dear lord what a loon you are.


by trytobereal on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 05:10:46 PM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

Gee Todd,  

I hate to sound like a nattering nabob of negativity, but you sure don't leave much room for mindless concern here.  If this keeps up much longer the damn place will turn back into some form of constructive discourse.  


January 20 & sricki join with The engels in love!
by January 20 on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:02:45 PM EST

Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

Hillary would be up by eleventy percent more.

There.


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:14:04 AM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

Oh sure, but what if McCain was made of praline fudge?  Would any Democrat be able to defeat McCain if he were totally delicious?  

It all depends on what the situation could be!  Your eleventy percent point boast can't be taken seriously because it doesn't count in the possibility of oppositional deliciousness!


January 20 & sricki join with The engels in love!
by January 20 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:21:22 AM EST
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Cheers for a diary that didn't make me wonder why the heck I am a democrat.


by Xris on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:13:52 PM EST

Obama up 49-38 (none / 0)

among women taken by lifetime as well; he still has some work to do with white women but his advantage among minority women is overwhelming.  If Obama wins 54% of women, McCain will need to win at 70% of the white male vote to win the election.

There's some interesting findings in the poll too; the poll indicates that more women would be less likely to vote for McCain if he chose a female as his veep than the number that would be more likely.  But the same principle does not hold for Obama as more women would be more likely to vote for him if a woman were on his ticket than the number that would be less likely to vote for him.  So McCain would be viewed as pandering if a woman veep but Obama would not be viewed in that fashion?  Check out the poll.


by Blazers Edge on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:28:07 PM EST

Re: Obama up 49-38 (none / 0)

Do you have a link?


by magster on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:11:39 PM EST
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Re: AP/Ipsos: Obama Up 6 (none / 0)

Unless LV numbers catch up with RV numbers, I'm not taking these too seriously.  Obama has problems with independents (Rasmussen) or only getting 74% of Democrats (Zogby).

Until Democrats get more excited about Obama, he can't win.  How to generate that excitement?  Put Hillary on the ticket.


by esconded on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 09:33:02 PM EST

Obama buried McCain on "The Gauge" (none / 0)

See the video on CNN.

Lv models are premature at this time--look back just to 06 and the generic ballots right after Labor Day, when Gallup started leading with their Lv numbers, and their was a 15 point difference from the Rv numbers in the last poll. Their final poll was very close with the Lv but at this stage the Rv numbers were more telling.


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:19:12 PM EST

The polls all converge around the rolling averages (2.00 / 1)

A span from -1 to +6 is within even a 3 point margin of error, and most polls are more than that. Likely voter models are likely to skew republican this far out and that may be why their is a particularly sharp difference at this time.


by Davidsfr on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 11:25:19 PM EST

Re: Ras has McCain Plus 1 (none / 0)

Actually it was the McCain campaign who put Arizona in play.  


We should be able to deliver bottled hot water to dehydrated babies.
by Jess81 on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 01:15:12 AM EST

Re: Ras has McCain Plus 1 (none / 0)

Jesus.  You're a REPUBLICAN.  No wonder you're behaving like such a douche.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 07:20:24 PM EST


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